Illumination 3 page 19 Illumination 3 page 19 published on July 3, 2017Read more posts by the author of Illumination 3 page 19, KoryBing47 Comments on Illumination 3 page 19 My shoulder is healing up nicely! I was able to get the page done on time! Hooray! Happy Birthday, America!
Oh my god that last row of panels is Iconic(tm)
welp, dragon you done Fucked Up.
*facepalms* No kidding….. diplomacy girl…. diplomacy….
Ehh, I’d say Wosret eff’d up. Dragons attacking sphinxes on the mainland? True and can go about it all day. Making a direct accusation against this dragon herself? He clearly doesn’t know anything about her. From what she’s said, we can deduct that she sympathizes with the motivations behind those attacks, but that doesn’t mean she agrees with the method. She’s come peacefully, and basically got slapped in the face by a racist sphinx man lumping her in with the dragons that are killing sphinxes.
Not to say the dragon is right to be all DO THIS OR ELSE RAWR– but well, two wrongs don’t make a right. Good diplomacy is not testing the opposition’s patience, not about expecting infinite patience.
I feel like with how she jumped to “You will do this or else!” She probably doesn’t have any problems with killing Sphinxes, or at least destroying their shops/medallion mints. Wosret already pointed out why Sphinxes haven’t made medallions for Dragons, and she jumped to threatening them anyway.
You know, this could be a big misunderstanding of what the “else” would be. Rather than “or else I’ll attack you” it could be “or else, I, who is ginormous, will risk being exposed and would put us all in danger”
Humbleness is not a trait commonly found in dragons :/
We tend to be proud, and proud of being proud. Yes indeed.
Nor in Sphinxes. Dragons are arrogant, Sphinxes condescending.
They turn their noses so high up that they disappear from their face.
You pressed the big red button, Dragon. You don’t press the big red button
Poor Wosret just got shoved by an angry sphinx lady. It would amuse me to see him eating dirt in the next comic page. Hehe.
Oh boy, this can only end well. Looks like I was accurate about the kind of person Jocasta seems like. Also I hope your shoulder gets better.
Jocasta is reasonable to the point where you make it clear that you are simply another arse that she deals with during the day. Then all her diplomatic skills flit off faster than a teenager who walks in on their parents “wrestling”.
‘Simply another arse’ implies there isn’t some valid justification behind it. Yes, the dragoness is being any number of bad words, not disagreeing with that, but it can be justified considering how dragons are treated. I imagine the mythical community treat dragons almost as badly as humans do, similar to how they tend to treat harpies, manticores and gorgons.
If Jocasta had kept her cool -just- a moment longer, maybe this situation could’ve been saved.
Well, “attacking their people” and “destroying their workshops” is pretty indicative and noninnocent.
It is perfectly good description. Everyone has motives, and what they claim can differ from their genuine beliefs. I’m not saying that discrimination is correct, by any means, but that lack of humbleness when asking for a favor is what determines whether someone is an arse.
“Or else they will die. Humans have this habit of, you know, invading our homes and killing us. They are too picky about destroying eggs or killing children, either. And we can’t exactly travel discreetly. Not helping us means the blood of innocent dragonlings who have done no wrong is on your paws. I’ll beg if I have to; you’re my last hopes.”
…well, Bloodcarver can’t be the only decent dragon ever, can he?
I was about to say… that’s pretty much the ONLY way to end that statement that doesn’t end in finding out just what a Sphinx can do to a Dragon up close and a hand in your snout.
Then she would have led with “You must…” not “You will…”.
“Must” is a plea, “will” is a command.
She is a dragon. Dragons don’t plead.
Somehow i believe that this is Bloodcarvers Wife
As was recently pointed out, Bloodcarver said that there’ve been no sphinxes as long as he’s been alive; that implies that he was hatched some time after the Great War. She could be an ancestress of his, though. (Or maybe his future mother-in-law?)
Well that conversation escalated quickly.
Naaaaah. There still is a bit of island left under their feet. :-P
I think my *Favourite* thing in your art style is your “[record scratch] the fuck you say????” look. Iconic.
That is probably the best description I’ve seen of this face ever. Well done.
Yeeeaaaahhh, unless that sentence ends “OR ELSE i will cry because all my family will surely perish without them” I don’t think you’re gonna win Jocasta over to your side. Though it does make me curious why the sphinxes are denying the dragons medallions, for sure. (I’m certain the sphinx leaders have something to do with it, but when has that stopped Jocasta before? Also makes me curious as to what idea the dragons had that they were so opposed to…)
I’ve always figured that the decision on what species gets medallions hinged on whether or not the species had a habit of harming or killing other sentient species. Manticores, harpies, gorgons, and dragons in most stories are mankillers, while satyrs and bugbears are just mischief makers and gryphons and sphinxes more likely to be guardian creatures. Basically, the sphinx leaders wouldn’t want to give killers a new way to lure in prey.
Obviously, this is painting species with a broad brush and ignores the possibility that people can be reasoned into a more peaceful lifestyle if the gains are big enough, but it’s not wholly unreasonable.
Diplomacy fail. Saying something stupid is known as “putting your foot in your mouth.” Doing something something stupid is called “shooting yourself in the foot.” I think draggy just put her foot in her mouth then shot herself in the foot.
Anyway, attacking sphinxes and destroying mints is no way of securing medallions. Suicide by stupidity.
heh – just saw something today calling that “the CNN Two Step”. For the first step, you put your foot in your mouth. For the second step, you shoot yourself in the foot. “The results are bloody but hilarious”, or somesuch.
The dragon reminds me of the French Carcolh, a mollusk-like dragon creature.
Someone doesn’t like it when a conversation s/he intended to control goes off-script.
If this weren’t a flashback with a foregone conclusion, I’d suggest that Jocasta demand some time put in defending medallion forges from other dragons. If the dragon objects, call it an idiot tax for threatening her.
It’s not an entirely foregone conclusion. We know the broad outlines of this historic period, but not the fine details. Just as the centauress didn’t know the detail that sphinxes weren’t quite wiped out, there’s still room for a few more surprises.
This is the trap I was talking about earlier. Here’s how it went for all the ones on the mainland ” innocent looking dragon asks for medallion, sphinxes refuse said dragon a medallion because think that dragons are monsters, dragon gets riled up and threatens sphinxes, sphinxes threatens back, and bada Bing bada boom, we have the start of the great war.” Did no body else see this coming? I mean come on it is like the white men refusing to give the black men their freedom, and guess where that lead, WAR!!!
Now I wonder what is going to happen next.
” I mean come on it is like the white men refusing to give the black men their freedom, and guess where that lead, WAR!!! ”
Sure, that’s how it went. How many battalions did the “black men” have? Oh right, it was almost exclusively white men dying FOR the freedom of the black men (or trying to prevent it, on the other side). So no, it’s not like that at all.
Not the point. My point is that somebody wanting something like say freedom and the said people in charge refusing that said somebody that freedom then that leads to war.
But maybe a better example would be the Americans wanting to separate from Britain.
Welp, miss dragon… Jocasta was willing to listen to you, until you ruined it with an ultimatum/threat. You’ve nobody to blame but yourself.
As she said, they are being chased and killed.. but then, perhaps the sphinxes predicted something bad happening in a possible future if they could get medallions?
Like, on a very bad scenario, dragons with a human guise (and all their powers) with killed relatives and much grudge could well plan retalliation to cull or eventually eliminate humanity?
lol I knew the dragon was lying XD.
Dang, do I have enough popcorn for this? I don’t think I do…
Suddenly one understand where Michelle got her temper from.
The dragons actually do have something of a point here. On one hand, the sphinxes invented the medallions and have a right to decide who to sell them to. On the other hand, if the humans have developed the sort of crusader mentality that various characters are alluding to here, then the medallions are the only defense available against a threat that cares nothing for individual guilt or innocence, and categorically withholding them (from a particularly easy-to-find group, at that) is hard to justify.
Imagine that you’re drowning forty feet from shore, and a man is standing on the shore with a fifty foot rope. In theory, it’s his rope and he can do as he likes with it. In practice, if he refuses to throw it out to you, and you know he would throw it if it was someone else, you’ve got pretty just cause to mark him as your enemy.